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Balancing Books, Work, and Life with Sarah Ailor and Marley Joseph
Join host Grace Ibrahim as she engages with Marley Joseph and Sarah Ailor, two proactive students from SOC. Discover how they weave their academic pursuits with vibrant city life in Washington D.C.
Marley shares his transition from New York to D.C., diving into his roles ranging from sports editor to social media strategist, exploring the city's rich cultural offerings. Sarah discusses the collaborative environment at AU, merging PR and Psychology in innovative ways.
This episode is perfect for anyone interested in the real-world application of media studies, collaborative education, and the enriching experiences outside traditional classrooms. Tune in to hear how SOC students are preparing to lead in the communication landscape.
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00;00;00;04 - 00;00;13;21
Marley Joseph
There's so many things you could do in DC. Definitely. You can't really be bored in DC. Like if you're bored, take the Metro and go to museum if you're bored or just like, even feel like last year I said, I'm going to give you all. I'll just go on random walks along like parts. DC Kind of explore the areas.
00;00;13;22 - 00;00;25;20
Sarah Ailor
It was like interesting to see how like it wasn't just like a typical, like you go in, you closed yourself in your office and then like you leave at the end of the day, like everything's so, like collaborative and like working together and you guys get together so much.
00;00;26;07 - 00;00;49;14
Grace Ibrahim
Welcome to Media The Mix, the only podcast produced and hosted by the School of Communication at èapp University. Join us as we create a safe space to explore topics and communication at the intersection of social justice, tech, innovation and pop culture. Welcome back to Media in the Mix. I'm your host, Grace Ibrahim. And today we have another student episode.
00;00;49;28 - 00;00;58;20
Grace Ibrahim
Two students, I guess I know really well at this point because they've been so involved in our office and just around events that we've done. Sarah and Marlee, welcome to the podcast.
00;00;59;03 - 00;00;59;29
Marley Jospeh
Thank you for having me.
00;01;00;12 - 00;01;17;26
Grace Ibrahim
Thanks for being here. Okay. So let's just start with just a quick introduction, and this can be just things you're involved in on campus or what your job is on campus. And then also just like let everyone know how you got to D.C. and why was it kind of you as the choice. So, Mari, we'll start with you.
00;01;17;27 - 00;01;18;07
Grace Ibrahim
Okay.
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Marley Jospeh
So I'm Marlee Joseph, a sophomore from New York, studying broadcast journalism for minor marketing. I guess some things and keep started doing so for associates. Typically on the sports editor for the Black Print, which is a publication on campus. But then outside of SLC, I'm also I do social media and then planning for Tuesday on the campus by the border, which is kind of a thing for mentorship on campus for black and Hispanic students.
00;01;42;24 - 00;01;48;18
Marley Jospeh
And then also I do social media for the ACP chapter on èapp University as I do.
00;01;48;20 - 00;01;52;07
Grace Ibrahim
It's amazing. And then what brought you to D.C.?
00;01;52;11 - 00;02;06;00
Marley Jospeh
I mean, so kind of crazy. I'm from New York. I went to high school out in California and went to boarding school, and I was like, I want to find somewhere with kind of a good blend of the two places. And then also, I really want to be the city. I cannot be the middle of nowhere again for another four years.
00;02;06;00 - 00;02;19;09
Marley Jospeh
I feel so kind of in D.C. I love D.C. of being that city. Life also specifically like it's kind of a great match for me. I feel like kind of balance all my interests and also kind of get to quarter city and enjoy city life as well while being on a campus.
00;02;19;09 - 00;02;28;19
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. I went to boarding school too, so it was like a really interesting experience, like sort of college because in a way, like I felt like I was a little bit prepared. You know, if you look.
00;02;28;19 - 00;02;33;11
Marley Jospeh
A little ready for you feel like you kind of have your bearings and then kind of go be away from home for the first time.
00;02;33;11 - 00;02;38;13
Grace Ibrahim
You do your laundry already. So I was like, Alright, that's one thing I can check off the list. All right. Sarah, what about you?
00;02;38;28 - 00;03;05;02
Sarah Ailor
I'm a senior. I'm studying PR and I'm also studying psychology, which I actually just finished this semester and then graduated for PR. I get to do digital communications with Veronica in our office, which is so fun for her. And then I'm also involved in this as a peer advisor, and I'm also in the psychology club here.
00;03;05;02 - 00;03;08;15
Grace Ibrahim
Wow. What goes on in a psychology club?
00;03;08;20 - 00;03;23;03
Sarah Ailor
We just do like different events. It's not anything necessarily psychology related, like we do academic events. Like sometimes we have professors talk about different like subjects. Okay, But like this weekend we're going on a hike to black coffee in the Palisades.
00;03;23;24 - 00;03;28;01
Grace Ibrahim
So fun. Yeah. Oh, that's good. It's like a mental health club. I love that it is like that.
00;03;28;03 - 00;03;29;04
Sarah Ailor
So it's really fun.
00;03;29;04 - 00;03;32;16
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. And then what brought you to D.C.? Why was it AEW?
00;03;32;17 - 00;03;51;12
Sarah Ailor
Well, so I'm from like, outside of Richmond, so I always come up to D.C., like with my mom and we'd like to around. I love to see all the buildings because I'm from like middle of nowhere in Virginia. Okay? And when I came here, I wanted to do poli sci. So originally I was poli sci and then I was like, This is really interesting.
00;03;51;12 - 00;03;59;23
Sarah Ailor
But like, I don't know if I want to do this forever. So I switch to Psych and I got on PR and, you know, like plays I hear is like, so popular.
00;03;59;23 - 00;04;00;07
Grace Ibrahim
Yes.
00;04;00;07 - 00;04;33;15
Sarah Ailor
So that's yeah, a good school for me, but also good for psych and PR too. So I love being able to like take classes outside of SC because I feel like specifically for me with Psych, like there's so many things that overlap with PR or communication in general that like it'll be like similar, like sort of theories. Like even in my social psychology class, my sophomore year, we talked a lot about like how people perceive things and like how to persuade people to do things and like PR, you're like getting messaging across and like you got to know how to get a message different people.
00;04;33;15 - 00;04;37;26
Sarah Ailor
So I really like how like there is overlap in my classes, even though they're in different schools.
00;04;37;26 - 00;04;39;19
Grace Ibrahim
Okay, I love that. Yeah, that's great.
00;04;39;19 - 00;04;56;27
Marley Jospeh
And then for me and my minor marketing, I'm kind of new into it. I do my thing, my first marketing class right now, but I feel like even with that, like you kind of see similarities, like, oh, marketing is kind of focused on like advertising and kind of branding yourself or branding a different company, which if you like, for one, like food journalism, kind of brand yourself in a way.
00;04;56;28 - 00;05;15;16
Marley Jospeh
So I feel like I kind of keep some of that the brand myself as a like a journalist or stuff like that in general, but also kind of is I feel like it's really good to kind of have a broad based kind of concept. Everything I feel like with me major minoring to hold off in school, I kind of go see like a new school environment kind of experience that kind of different, like different arsenal of materials.
00;05;15;16 - 00;05;31;03
Marley Jospeh
I feel like for marketing, it's a lot more like kind of different way to kind of like think you think differently. Marketing or journalism. I'm thinking like associate commenting about, okay, I tried to article and finally people like an interview kind of set it up. So for me, I think it's more like, okay, I'm in a group project with the market.
00;05;31;03 - 00;05;44;26
Marley Jospeh
This company, how was the company? How they kind of want to present myself or how would I want to kind of figure out what ways we can produce to most, like monetize? I felt this kind of is the way to kind of expand your horizon. But think about like the same thing, the different way.
00;05;45;07 - 00;06;02;08
Grace Ibrahim
Thought Yeah, I feel like whenever at least thinking on my experience after my master's, like my minor came up a lot, which is really cool because I don't know why I had thought of like, I guess it's just a minor, you know? But it did come up a lot in like job interviews and like the correlation between, like psychology, communications and this.
00;06;02;08 - 00;06;07;11
Grace Ibrahim
Not like it was really interesting. So I definitely started to like, lean into it more and more, which is really cool.
00;06;07;17 - 00;06;33;24
Sarah Ailor
I think also like for like even like in the classroom, I remember in like my PR writing class, we would make different like, like press releases and like one of them was like a social media or press release or it was like a bunch of different graphics. And there was a girl in our class who was minoring in graphic design, so she, like, was able to add to like everyone's assignments and was like, you know, this like, should be here instead of here because of whatever graphic design role and like, it made her look better.
00;06;33;24 - 00;06;41;26
Sarah Ailor
So it's awesome. I think it makes like the classroom a lot more like fun because everyone has their own like individual, like little thing outside of the major. Yeah.
00;06;41;26 - 00;06;44;10
Grace Ibrahim
So it's like huge collaboration efforts and.
00;06;44;10 - 00;06;58;29
Marley Jospeh
Also associate feel like associate kind of tight knit community, you know, like I have class a lot of thing. People have other classes with. I feel like being in new school it's to see new faces, meeting people, build more connection and stuff like that. So see kind of people have class because I see them like my class last year or last semester.
00;06;59;07 - 00;07;08;15
Marley Jospeh
But being in this, I'm in Colgate for my minor kind of get to meet a whole group of people and you professors kind of build new relationships and like kind of really see different side of campus. I don't get to see that often.
00;07;08;16 - 00;07;32;22
Grace Ibrahim
Associate I do have a question about basically kind of just your respective activities that you do on campus clubs you're involved in, whatever it may be. Can you like speak to just the real world experience that you're already gaining from these jobs and kind of like the the people you're interacting with, the things you're involved in, the events like how does that kind of set you up for what comes after graduation?
00;07;32;24 - 00;07;47;23
Marley Jospeh
I mean, I guess I guess I look for meters on clubs and doing stuff like that, even as I see, like events, all panels kind of learning how to network, kind of be like, show who you are. I feel like Veronica is my mentor. Last year, stuff like that, I writes a lot of events. It's kind of just the, Oh, this event.
00;07;48;00 - 00;08;02;04
Marley Jospeh
I have no idea what it is, but we figure out what the event is, are who I need to know, figure out like why I should wear for the event. But it's casual. If it's formal, figure out how to present myself to make sure people like, understand like I'm a freshman at the time of my sophomore year, but I'm still like, have idea what's happening.
00;08;02;07 - 00;08;13;29
Marley Jospeh
Really want to show faces like that. I think that even like clubs and stuff is is making sure you one in the room recognize or just have an idea of like okay maybe younger to have when I was here but I still like kind of know my grounding and know where I need to be here for.
00;08;14;00 - 00;08;24;29
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah you still care. That's, that's important. And you just brought up a really good point about like self branding and just kind of how you can already start to brand yourself prior to graduation, which is so important. Sarah, what about you?
00;08;25;06 - 00;08;55;18
Sarah Ailor
I totally agree with like all of what you said, but also for me, like I know working in both like the Sears Office and also and like as I see offices, like it's nice to see how like a team can work professionally, like towards, like a goal, like, and like PR is I work with like two other students there, but I used to work in like the front office and it was like interesting to see how like it wasn't just like a typical like you go in, you closed yourself in your office and then like you leave at the end of the day, like everything.
00;08;55;18 - 00;09;18;27
Sarah Ailor
So, like collaborative and like working together and you guys work together so much like, you mean even in here right now, like everyone, like, and each section is like, here. So that's really cool to see. And also, just like I get to explore different things that I'm interested in. Yeah, like for peer advising, like with the psychology, like there is stuff where it's like communication that I learn and also in PR, like that's a part of that too.
00;09;18;27 - 00;09;20;01
Sarah Ailor
So yeah, it's really interesting.
00;09;20;01 - 00;09;47;07
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. Well, good for both of you. That's like just really good takeaways from the things you're involved in that it really set you up. And just on the topic of like what you each do, I do have a fun question for each of you. So Sarah, going to start with you because you were just on the topic of PR, so, um, do you have like any, if there's like a client you'd love to work for if you have any like dream collaborations or like a dream campaign you'd love to do if it pertains to DC or not.
00;09;47;12 - 00;09;49;27
Sarah Ailor
Okay, so I love Chapel Room.
00;09;50;03 - 00;09;50;10
Grace Ibrahim
Oh.
00;09;50;23 - 00;10;03;26
Sarah Ailor
And I don't know if you guys have seen, but like, she doesn't like being famous. Yes. Yeah. They get her complaints. Yeah, I think she's totally right. Like her at the Grammys, pointing out that photographer like I remember you. You were mean to me.
00;10;03;26 - 00;10;04;06
Grace Ibrahim
Like, Yeah.
00;10;04;10 - 00;10;18;25
Sarah Ailor
I think that's great. I do think, though, that like, if she had a PR person. Mm. People would respond to her complaints. Interesting. I don't know if I have a specific like campaign for her. Yeah. Just like she's right.
00;10;18;29 - 00;10;19;13
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah.
00;10;19;22 - 00;10;22;00
Sarah Ailor
But maybe if I'd love to, like, work with her.
00;10;22;00 - 00;10;23;26
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, with her. It's all about the messaging, right?
00;10;23;26 - 00;10;25;07
Sarah Ailor
It's all about the messaging.
00;10;25;07 - 00;10;26;14
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, it's how you say it.
00;10;26;14 - 00;10;29;26
Marley Jospeh
And I've only seen her for, like, her going awful lady.
00;10;30;01 - 00;10;31;10
Sarah Ailor
Yes, yes, yes.
00;10;31;20 - 00;10;35;17
Marley Jospeh
Oh, I heard one of her songs. Yeah. I've only really seen her. Just kind of like.
00;10;35;24 - 00;10;36;05
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah.
00;10;36;14 - 00;10;39;14
Marley Jospeh
Kind of like defending yourself against, like, the photographers. Like.
00;10;39;17 - 00;10;55;17
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, I bet you have heard one of her songs. You just don't know it. I've probably true. Yeah. Because, like, I didn't realize that either. I was like, Oh, yeah, that's cool. But you know what? She has such strong opinions. She does true point. It's like what she's saying is valid, but sometimes it's about how you kind of message that it's people.
00;10;55;17 - 00;11;08;29
Sarah Ailor
Oh yeah, she's great too for like the gay community because like, yeah, at her shows she'll bring in like before she'll bring in like drag queens who, like, open up her. Yeah, I think it's so cool. Yeah. So like and they're like local for each like venue. Right. So I think that oh.
00;11;08;29 - 00;11;27;04
Grace Ibrahim
That is really cool. I get a lot of good stuff going on, giving everyone opportunity and I love that. Okay, Marley, so fun question for you. Is there like a dream story you'd like to cover or is like there a dream place you want to be published in the future? Like, what's that all about? Let us know.
00;11;27;04 - 00;11;42;22
Marley Jospeh
I mean, I guess like even I was growing up, I didn't like I used to hate writing, Like I used to, like, despise writing, really. But I realized that this point that I can't be science, I can't be mad. So I'm writing about only way out to like. But I feel like even younger, I always like I watched over time or complex.
00;11;42;22 - 00;11;53;07
Marley Jospeh
I feel like for me to be like something's telling play that was like, oh, I'm like, oh, always have a Puerto complex do like interview of a celebrity that I really love or like. Yeah, kind of combining like music in sports, like a sports team I really.
00;11;53;07 - 00;12;07;10
Grace Ibrahim
Love I was going to say or an athlete or something there. Yeah that's awesome. Actually a follow up there. So like, have you just always been interested in sports? Like, I know you said you don't really like writing, but is it when you're writing about sports, like it feels a little different, something you enjoy?
00;12;07;15 - 00;12;28;09
Marley Jospeh
I've grown to love writing, like, yeah, I mean, like writing something that I was like, funny story. I was terrible at it. Like in high school, like, yeah, freshman year of high school. My idea to, like, make like, the teacher forced me to say, what about the class, work my writing assignments cause they were just terrible. Yeah. So, like, I just grown to, like, kind of enjoy writing more, but I think for me, like, I grew up in, like, my family's really big on sports.
00;12;28;09 - 00;12;41;25
Marley Jospeh
A music student, very passionate about stuff. I always kind of grew up in that room, so I feel like at first I was like, Oh, I only care about sports. Like all I'm doing is writing about sports, about sports editor for a black friend, like, Oh, I'm writing about sports. But like over time, I've grown to like writing about other things too.
00;12;41;25 - 00;12;54;03
Marley Jospeh
Like my class is writing about politics. So it's like, okay, that's an adjustment, but we're used to it now. I worry a little more, so I feel like it's writing something and kind of always been like, not always, but like after I got to a certain part of high school, I was like, I can do writing. Like I enjoy it.
00;12;54;16 - 00;12;56;21
Marley Jospeh
And like, I'm also opinionated, so like, it helps out perfectly.
00;12;56;28 - 00;13;14;22
Grace Ibrahim
Love that OC falls in line. Yeah, that's awesome. That's great. I do want to talk about kind of SC and the majors that you both are in and of course like switching I, I was the same. I switch from like math to psychology to as of see and then I got a psych minor. So it's just so fun to like kind of see your path and then see where you end up.
00;13;15;01 - 00;13;29;19
Grace Ibrahim
You still have some time to see where you end up. So it's like it's I love the two different positions were at here, but I know both of you have already gained like substantial experience. So do you have any advice for like the freshmen coming in that are going to be an associate? Just anything there that you can speak on?
00;13;29;19 - 00;13;47;26
Sarah Ailor
I think that like just like talking to your professors and I feel like I always hear that and I always heard that. But like, there's so much that you can, like, learn from them. And like, even looking back, like, I wish that I talked to, like, different professors, more like I have relationships with a few my professors that I've had here.
00;13;48;05 - 00;14;05;28
Sarah Ailor
But like, there's so many professors that have had who I thought were great, but like, maybe after class I had to run to another class. I don't have time to like, go up and talk to them afterwards, but like their office hours are there, right? So I think just like talking to professors because they have different opportunities like the job that I have right now.
00;14;05;28 - 00;14;12;10
Sarah Ailor
And so, see, I got because Professor Talon like emailed me like, Oh, are you interested in this? And I was like, Yes, I am.
00;14;12;10 - 00;14;12;18
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah.
00;14;12;27 - 00;14;18;22
Sarah Ailor
So I think it's just like they look out for you. If you like, tell them you're interested in different things.
00;14;18;22 - 00;14;21;27
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. And then, Marlee, what about you? Any advice?
00;14;21;27 - 00;14;39;26
Marley Jospeh
I was going to say the same thing. I'll pick a different piece of advice. Honestly. Yeah. I just say like if in SLC you have a lot of resources that I think kind of go under the radar. Like even for me, like, I think that I would say in the time, if I ever want to mentor, a lot of things have gone under-the-radar like I don't even email too often, not going like I do now because I mean.
00;14;39;26 - 00;14;41;12
Grace Ibrahim
You're busy, you know, fine like.
00;14;41;15 - 00;14;56;29
Marley Jospeh
And I just think that kind of reading your emails, which I hypothetically you said before, but also just kind of I think you think you might be interested in just take the chance and like try honestly for like associate also just D.C. in general, like a lot of things you could try to do for like, oh, like I saw this thing online.
00;14;57;04 - 00;15;14;19
Marley Jospeh
It might be cool. I know these goals too. Or like they just panel. I always apply. I want to go to you, but I don't want to have to like get dressed up and like sit for an hour and a half. Just go to the panel, even bring it back. I feel like it's being that it's being albino, different things kind of expose you to a lot that you wouldn't really get committed College experience more worth if you try everything you can.
00;15;14;24 - 00;15;29;15
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. Good. Two great pieces of advice. Yeah, that's like actually a piece of advice I got recently, which is just get into the room because you never know who's going to be in the room. So it's just like, Yeah, just go to these. I've seen you at a lot of events, so I think you're definitely following your own advice, which is awesome.
00;15;29;15 - 00;15;49;01
Grace Ibrahim
Really. Just talking about like the specifics to the majors that you're in. So whether that be like journalism, PR, whatever that may be, do you have any advice there, like favorite class that you talk or a favorite professor or just something experiential learning, anything that you are a part of that maybe someone should try if they were to choose to come to?
00;15;49;01 - 00;16;20;24
Sarah Ailor
SC I think like, okay, well favorite like class or professor and like this goes back to like, like the basics and like all comm majors have to take this class, but like, com 100 like understanding media with Professor Tolle in that class like I don't think I valued it enough when I was in like it was so fun and what was so great about it was like it was like we covered like every single, like form of, like media because like for PR, it's like, it's mainly like focusing on like current events.
00;16;20;24 - 00;16;43;29
Sarah Ailor
How are people responding to different things? Like what are like PR professionals doing, which of course I'm interested in and I love, but like I also love other like types of like communication. And so we would cover everything. And like our final project for that class was like this. We were like promoting like a franchise and like my group did The Hunger Games and it was so much fun because like our town encouraged us to just be like, as creative as possible.
00;16;44;09 - 00;17;01;13
Sarah Ailor
And like when we started, like we had one person in our group up on like the stage, like in the, like theater and caught out each of our names, like in the Reaping, like, you know, in The Hunger Games or they like, like calling us also, We èapp all. And then at the end we called Professor Talon and like you love that.
00;17;01;19 - 00;17;06;14
Sarah Ailor
You love that. So I think like that cause was just like, so, so fun.
00;17;06;14 - 00;17;24;00
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, that's awesome. I just guest lectured that class the other day and they were doing that project. So there was like the Shrek franchise and someone was doing Pirates of the Caribbean, which I was like, Oh God, that's such a throwback. Like, it's so fun to see everyone have fun. And it's like big groups too. I don't know if that was the same for your class, but they were like, Oh my.
00;17;24;00 - 00;17;24;29
Sarah Ailor
Gosh, it was eight.
00;17;24;29 - 00;17;25;12
Grace Ibrahim
People.
00;17;25;12 - 00;17;26;12
Sarah Ailor
Ten people.
00;17;26;12 - 00;17;27;15
Grace Ibrahim
And I go, Okay.
00;17;27;20 - 00;17;30;08
Sarah Ailor
And like, coordinating with ten people, like is impossible.
00;17;30;08 - 00;17;42;17
Grace Ibrahim
So you learn a lot learning. You learn out. Yeah, I know. Because usually anything you go to that's a collaboration has a lot of people and it's like getting everyone in adulthood to coordinate a time is wild. Yeah. Marley What.
00;17;42;17 - 00;17;56;00
Marley Jospeh
About funny? Cause I remember I had a class first met there and I despised they while in it looking back and I'm like, I should have taken a class. Like when we were 60. I was like, I should have valued that class more. I feel like a lot of stuff that we learned in that class. Well, he takes you all the way through.
00;17;56;06 - 00;18;16;19
Marley Jospeh
Like, I would hate the readings. Hey, having to go for a lecture, but I feel like this is how life works. And then the bigger project, I was like, Why am I with eight people in a group project? But really how life works? I realize. I know. Yeah, that's kind of normal. I feel like for me, a rookie professor room search of all that class was so fun, you know, is a blog class and was like a night.
00;18;17;05 - 00;18;40;05
Marley Jospeh
It's interesting but my classes he does a great professor for one like he makes classified he makes data science which most people don't enjoy. Really funny, interesting stuff like that. But I feel like also my reporting class this semester, even though I'm like, it's labor politics, which is not my biggest forte by field, just kind of experience you get from going out reporting and just having to like get people to be like, Oh no, you could trust me.
00;18;40;05 - 00;18;48;10
Marley Jospeh
Like I'm not going to like, quote you incorrectly. So like that something that's really impactful on my profession, but also just like in general, like building, like connection to people, something I really take from the class.
00;18;48;16 - 00;19;03;25
Grace Ibrahim
That all sounds like so much fun to is there. Like, I know sometimes it's really obvious to the skills you pick up and you're like, I did this job because I wanted to get that skill. But has there been any, like, unexpected skills you've picked up from like your Malden on campus or jobs that you do or whatever it may be?
00;19;04;18 - 00;19;38;24
Sarah Ailor
I think for me, I kind of have two answers and they kind of go hand in hand. But I so doing the digital communication job when I first started and like I'd make the graphics or the Instagram, like captions, like captions for LinkedIn, whatever, I wasn't focused as much on like the branding aspect of it. And so Veronica would always very politely, very kindly be like, Oh, like I'm going to add like the little picture of SC in the background of like the photo and like, you know, like make the transparency go down.
00;19;38;24 - 00;19;58;16
Sarah Ailor
Like just so it's like very subtle, like this is also see and like logos and like, I think that for me was just like, oh my gosh, like this is so simple, but it makes it look so professional. So like, I think that's something that like I kind of like became more aware of like the sort of, like branding doesn't have to be like super complex anything.
00;19;58;16 - 00;20;12;23
Sarah Ailor
Yeah, literally just be a photo of associate that someone took like in the background, like transparency. So I think that and like that's something that I definitely didn't think was something that like I needed to learn or need. It's like building, right? But it was.
00;20;12;23 - 00;20;14;03
Grace Ibrahim
There. That's awesome. Okay.
00;20;14;13 - 00;20;27;09
Marley Jospeh
I would say, yeah, I wouldn't say the same thing up in like, Well, I'll say two things because that's great. First thing, Canva I did not think only Canva ever in my life. Like, honestly, in high school I voted out all cause I did yearbook. I still avoided it, which I don't know how.
00;20;27;10 - 00;20;29;12
Grace Ibrahim
That's impressive, but yeah.
00;20;29;19 - 00;20;53;27
Marley Jospeh
But I feel like now Campbell is, like, really intuitive. Have to get used to it. And I feel like especially like, these. Like, of social media as well as like, See? Yeah. Canva Something that is really helpful because it kind of like it can make a really nice poster on fire in 15 minutes. But I say, second thing is I feel like honestly, as I see kind of about dressing for the occasion, like it's not cool, but we get the words for every single class or either like with professional attire.
00;20;54;04 - 00;21;06;02
Marley Jospeh
I feel like even that. So, see, sometimes you got to like, figure out, okay, I'm going to a panel event, I'm going to like a speaker event, or even going to class. I'm doing plantation. Maybe I should, in worse, wear pants in a hoodie that day. Right? So I'm just like kind of freaking out, like kind of dressing to the occasion.
00;21;06;02 - 00;21;09;08
Marley Jospeh
Something I learned a lot, which I didn't think I would have to pick up on it. Yeah, I in college.
00;21;09;08 - 00;21;17;22
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. You have a great fashion sense too. Honestly, every time we see Marlee or, like, it's just so you just kill it. Yeah, that's all I.
00;21;17;24 - 00;21;30;23
Sarah Ailor
I want to echo Canva. Canva is like my Bible at this point. I love it. And I actually just recently found out that you can make a website on canvas. Yes, you can make a website. Yeah. Yes. I found this out the other day, so I will be.
00;21;30;23 - 00;21;38;24
Grace Ibrahim
Doing the bios. Yes, there's a lot of templates on there that's always very beneficial. My first ever like elevated website was on Kalpa.
00;21;39;06 - 00;21;40;08
Sarah Ailor
So I need to do this.
00;21;40;20 - 00;21;41;07
Marley Jospeh
To do that. Yeah.
00;21;41;07 - 00;21;58;08
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. It's really helpful and it's like it's all free. And obviously there's some things that, you know, if you want to go that other step you have to pay for, but for the most part, for what they do offer that's free is really, really helpful. I always say Canva is the best way to learn, so God bless Canva.
00;21;58;08 - 00;22;23;18
Grace Ibrahim
Okay. And then another thing I guess we've talked so much about all that you have going on. Any advice to students in terms of just like student life balance and just kind of how you even if you're not the best value, it's like guilty as charged. But is there anything that you tell yourself or just try to keep in mind to kind of make sure that at least at some points, you're balancing?
00;22;23;27 - 00;22;24;12
Grace Ibrahim
Well.
00;22;24;26 - 00;22;34;19
Marley Jospeh
I mean, I've, like relies on things that are kind of natural to me. So I feel like I didn't happen. So college sometimes I do need a good nap. So I, like, make sure that I have time for that.
00;22;34;20 - 00;22;35;04
Grace Ibrahim
What's that?
00;22;35;06 - 00;22;53;15
Marley Jospeh
Yeah, my Google calendar out. So, like, I know. Okay, this event, I haven't matched all time like, so, so much time today I feel like yeah if you like if you don't only kind of have a baseline what you're doing for the day, you feel really overwhelming. If you have like a kind of simple like, okay, I've clients until like 345 and then I like an event for a club at seven kind of slow.
00;22;53;15 - 00;23;08;29
Marley Jospeh
Okay. After the hours and day where I could just kind of relax, do nothing. Yeah, that's like that. Also, please value your sleep. Like it can at least get enough sleep. Even if you're stressed out a lot to work. It won't be good quality if you don't sleep so way. Sometimes you have to be like, okay, I have a lot of work due tomorrow.
00;23;08;29 - 00;23;14;03
Marley Jospeh
I'll work for you in two days, but I still need to get my rest so I can produce the best quality work. So getting that sleep is also really important.
00;23;14;06 - 00;23;30;03
Grace Ibrahim
That's such an important thing because you're right, It's like the more you stay awake, the more the productivity just goes down. You. It's like, yeah, you got to recharge, you got to recharge. And then I like what you said, just like plan your day, just like a very simple plan. But that really does help sometimes for being overwhelmed.
00;23;30;05 - 00;23;31;15
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. Sarah, what about you?
00;23;31;15 - 00;23;50;25
Sarah Ailor
I think, like specifically this week, I've been looking ahead at, like, my finals and Monday I was just like, Oh my gosh. Like, I am never going to get all of this stuff done. Yeah, but like, then I made like, a day by day, like, just for this week, like, I need to get this done on Monday. That's done on Tuesday, like a little bit of this on Wednesday sort of thing.
00;23;51;04 - 00;24;15;24
Sarah Ailor
And that really helps me like just to kind of like visualize like this is my week. Like this is when these things are due. Like this is the most pressing thing. Like just really writing everything down helps me, but I feel like managing my time, like to have like a very, like full time. I try and do like and I'm not always successful at this, but I try and do like, like a 9 to 5 almost with work.
00;24;15;24 - 00;24;31;22
Sarah Ailor
So like if I have class, like after class, like, obviously like I'll go eat or something, but like, I like, do homework as well. So that way, like at $0.05 I'm like, I'm done with my day. That's great. All right. Try not to like, do homework unless it's like, obviously pressing or like a group project. Yeah, sort of thing.
00;24;31;22 - 00;24;33;26
Sarah Ailor
That's awesome. So I try and do that.
00;24;33;26 - 00;24;35;00
Marley Jospeh
That's great. I need to try that.
00;24;35;00 - 00;24;35;27
Grace Ibrahim
I know that's.
00;24;35;27 - 00;24;46;09
Marley Jospeh
Kinda obviously, like, I have no clue. Like I made sure to see I know kind of for 11:20 p.m. 20 a.m., I'm like, Oh, sleep in. I have an 8 a.m. so I work for the next 6 p.m..
00;24;46;09 - 00;25;04;09
Grace Ibrahim
But for like and that's like, okay, because I feel like two you two are at different points in your life where like that is totally acceptable and then I also see how you're like, Well, I kind of want to get used to a little bit of like, what, life after graduation that I should be like, right? So, like, it really is like it's you both are balancing your own way and that's important.
00;25;04;09 - 00;25;10;03
Sarah Ailor
Well, my sophomore year when I was in MacDowell, like, I was going back after class and I was thinking, that's like hour long that. So I think.
00;25;10;03 - 00;25;10;15
Grace Ibrahim
You're.
00;25;10;17 - 00;25;11;18
Sarah Ailor
You're in a good spot.
00;25;11;18 - 00;25;28;25
Grace Ibrahim
Are so important. I just feel like when I take a nap, I wake up on another planet and it's like 7 hours later and I'm like, Well, I just slept for the day, so that's good. That's great. And then I kind of want to wrap up just a little bit, talking about kind of what's next. Marlee, I'll start with you as there anything like you're looking forward to doing.
00;25;28;25 - 00;25;34;05
Grace Ibrahim
Is there anything you haven't done that you would like to do or something you want to dip your toes into?
00;25;34;05 - 00;25;52;28
Marley Jospeh
I mean, I feel like it's always been my dream in mind. I feel like I always want to kind of like cover like a game or a team. I feel like I got out cause I do. Most of I do is more just like research base or like longform articles. I feel like I don't know why I've always wanted to, like, kind of follow like, you know, the basketball team around and like, do that kind of stuff.
00;25;52;28 - 00;26;04;06
Marley Jospeh
Or just like, honestly, any team I came with, I feel like I Yeah, no, not for most sports. I kind of hold my own stuff like, yeah, whether it be just for like a season or like, be like for a few weeks. It's covering a team. Let me follow them around. It would be fun.
00;26;04;10 - 00;26;06;10
Grace Ibrahim
Do you have a favorite sport? Just out of curiosity.
00;26;06;27 - 00;26;10;00
Marley Jospeh
I love playing baseball, but I love watching basketball more.
00;26;10;00 - 00;26;19;01
Grace Ibrahim
Nice. Okay, that's awesome. I am basketball fan too. Yeah, but my brother grew up playing baseball a lot, so I was always watching baseball. That's fun. Okay, Sarah, what about you?
00;26;19;04 - 00;26;36;28
Sarah Ailor
Well, I'm graduating in the spring, so I want to do like, I want to enjoy the rest of my time here. Yeah. And not think too much about life after graduation. Yeah. As for, like, when I graduate and, like, a job, I feel like I have so many different interests that, like, there's so many different, like, paths that I could take.
00;26;36;28 - 00;26;56;00
Sarah Ailor
Yeah, it's, I think really, like, I want to focus on applying to different places that, like, maybe aren't on the same field. Like I'm interested in like event planning, but I'm also interested in like data analytics. So like, I don't know what exactly, yeah, which path I'm going to do, but maybe I'll apply to both jobs because, you know, getting a job is not easy.
00;26;56;00 - 00;26;57;29
Sarah Ailor
Yeah, so I think it's good too.
00;26;58;11 - 00;26;58;25
Grace Ibrahim
You know, it's all.
00;26;58;25 - 00;26;59;28
Sarah Ailor
Trying do any of those things.
00;26;59;28 - 00;27;09;06
Grace Ibrahim
And are you just out of curiosity too? And the answer can totally be, No, I'm not. Are you doing anything to kind of like prep for graduation, any, like resume work or.
00;27;09;18 - 00;27;16;20
Sarah Ailor
Well, so my concern right now for like, I'm in it and we're actually like doing like resume and like career stuff.
00;27;16;21 - 00;27;18;00
Grace Ibrahim
So perfect.
00;27;18;09 - 00;27;31;19
Sarah Ailor
One of our like assignments has been like, find a job that you want to apply to and come up with like ten interview questions that you would ask the interviewer. And then I think in class, at some point we're going to be like asking each other interview questions. Yeah, so that's really great prep for me.
00;27;31;19 - 00;27;32;13
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome.
00;27;32;14 - 00;27;48;11
Sarah Ailor
Um, but as of right now, I've like there been jobs on handshake, which again, like that's something I wish I took advantage of sooner. Yeah. While I was here but like jobs on handshake that are applying like for asking for May 2025 grads Oh okay so like I've been like, trying to.
00;27;48;11 - 00;27;48;20
Grace Ibrahim
Start.
00;27;48;20 - 00;27;50;15
Sarah Ailor
Applying to this. That's awesome.
00;27;50;15 - 00;27;52;24
Grace Ibrahim
And you, you said you do like peer advising.
00;27;52;24 - 00;27;54;01
Sarah Ailor
For I knew you.
00;27;54;01 - 00;27;56;27
Grace Ibrahim
Okay. So that must help to write like it does help.
00;27;56;28 - 00;28;03;22
Sarah Ailor
Yeah. I mean, like, not everyone, like, will come in asking for, like, advice on the cover letter, but that's how quickly my.
00;28;03;24 - 00;28;23;25
Grace Ibrahim
Friend likes our sales. That's awesome. How has it been just being in D.C. for school? You know, obviously this year we had a huge, huge election and, you know, things are happening outside of campus. Just how has it been kind of being in the nation's capital? So I do love to talk about this idea of being in D.C. just outside of AEW.
00;28;24;01 - 00;28;25;14
Grace Ibrahim
So if there's anything you can speak.
00;28;26;11 - 00;29;00;06
Sarah Ailor
I think what's so great about D.C. is that there's so many, like free opportunities. It's like, I love the zoo and I'll be going back in January when the pandas are there. I will be there like I love all the museums and I think like just being in D.C., there's so many events that happen. Like I went to the Paris rally like two weeks ago and it was so amazing and like, there's such great energy there and it's so cool to see like huge events happen and like, there's so many people that just come, like.
00;29;00;14 - 00;29;19;00
Marley Jospeh
All together. That's awesome. Honestly, I love D.C., but I don't know, I didn't. But I knew like I enjoy D.C. My parents who are in the U.S., when I came, as I can tell you, but I didn't realize kind of how much I love after. Like for one, it's like he's he's not a college town, but also some of the universities and area, like I mentioned.
00;29;19;00 - 00;29;35;08
Marley Jospeh
So from everything, I am going to see if it's going to be the area in general. Yeah, okay. I just make they're also looking for so many things you can do. You see envelopes, you can't really be boarding If you board take the metro. I'm going to see him right before it looks like. Like last year.
00;29;36;26 - 00;29;41;15
I was going in Wall Street. I feel like the.
00;29;41;22 - 00;29;45;04
Marley Jospeh
Inner city, like you feel decent, much everything else. But you must be like.
00;29;46;10 - 00;29;58;19
I was going to give you that. But there was like a budget. So like anything I mean, my sister last year and I was like, wow, what?
00;29;59;21 - 00;30;06;03
Grace Ibrahim
You know, it was the first time I've seen the neighborhood. So it is true. Like there's some little pockets in there that are so fun to explore.
00;30;07;00 - 00;30;12;13
Marley and Sarah, Thank you so much
00;30;12;13 - 00;30;31;00
Grace Ibrahim
Much for being here today. You really had really had fun having you both on. You guys both dropped some very valuable knowledge, so I hope everyone is listening to notes. And if you would like to donate to the School of Communication, go to giving èapps. IDU But first day, that's a wrap. Thank you.
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The Truth in Focus with Guest Bill Gentile
Professor Bill Gentile is an Emmy-winning independent journalist and documentary filmmaker whose career spans over four decades, five continents, and nearly every aspect of mass communication. Author ofWait for Me: True Stories of War, Love and Rock & Roll, he is a full-time professor at èapp University’s School of Communication (SOC) in Washington, DC, and the founder of the Backpack Journalism Project. A pioneer in “backpack video journalism,” Gentile authored theEssential Video Journalism Field Manualand its Spanish counterpart, and has conducted workshops worldwide. He is the creator and host of the documentary seriesFREELANCERS with Bill Gentileand has engineered key partnerships, such as SOC’s collaboration with the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting.
Gentile has reported from Central America, the Persian Gulf, Iraq, and Afghanistan, among other regions, documenting conflicts, cultural shifts, and global challenges. His notable works includeAfghan Dreams,Fire and Ice on the Mountain, and a three-part series on religion and gangs in Guatemala. Early in his career, he covered the Sandinista Revolution and U.S.-backed Contra War in Nicaragua as Newsweek’s Contract Photographer for Latin America. His book of photographs,Nicaragua, earned an Overseas Press Club Award. Gentile’s work has also examined topics like the U.S. nursing shortage, the effects of climate change, and Cuba’s unique cultural traditions, solidifying his reputation as a masterful storyteller and educator.
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Advice with SOC's Very Own: Erin McGoff
Join us this week on Media in the Mix as we sit down with SOC alum Erin McGoff (SOC/BA'17), an award-winning documentary filmmaker, director, and content creator.
After graduating from AU, Erin received a prestigious fellowship from the Pulitzer Center to create her debut feature documentary, THIS LITTLE LAND OF MINES, which shines a light on the unexploded bombs still impacting communities in Laos. The film went on to receive international distribution, playing at festivals around the world, including Mill Valley and Stockholm.
In addition to her documentary work, Erin is the founder of Grey Films and has directed a range of short documentaries, including SOUTHERN SèappTAINABILITY (2018) and NEW YORK IS SILENT (2020), collaborating with clients like Google, National Geographic, and PBS.
Beyond filmmaking, Erin has built a massive following on TikTok and Instagram, where her niche is providing candid and humorous life and career advice to an audience of over 4.5 million followers. She’s known for demystifying the job market for Gen Z and Millennials, offering tips on everything from resumes to interviews through her platform, AdviceWithErin. Featured in publications like the New York Times, CNBC, and Fortune, Erin’s content has made her a go-to voice for career guidance.
This is a conversation you don’t want to miss—tune in as we explore Erin’s journey from filmmaking to content creation, and her mission to educate and inspire.
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00:00:00:00 - 00:00:23:11
Erin
So imagine this. This is what I teach. Your life is like a sandwich. And your job is like a tomato. And so if you are only having a tomato for lunch every day, it can be the juiciest, ripest, most amazing tomato in the world. And you're like, oh my gosh, I'm so lucky to have this tomato. But if you're just eating a tomato every day for lunch, that's not good for you.
00:00:23:11 - 00:00:40:03
Erin
It's not nutritious. You're going to get sick of it. And also, what if one day that tomato’s soggy, then your whole lunch sucks? So what you got to do is you got to work on your sandwich. You got to put in exercise, a little bit of lettuce. Oh, okay. Now we're talking about a caprese salad with some balsamic vinegar.
00:00:40:10 - 00:01:05:03
Erin
Ooh, maybe that's knitting. You have to add more to your life. Seeing your friends, joining a volleyball club, walking your dog, and volunteering is massively helpful. Getting perspective. The less work becomes the center fold of your life. You have to decenter work from your life.
00:01:05:05 - 00:01:43:27
Grace
Welcome to In the Mix, the only podcast produced and hosted by the School of Communication at èapp University. Join us as we create a safe space to explore topics and communication at the intersection of social justice, tech, innovation, and pop culture. Welcome back to Media in the Mix. I'm your host, Grace, and today we have an exciting guest, Erin McGoff. She is an award winning documentary filmmaker, director, editor and focuses on impactful storytelling. After graduating from our very own School of Communication at èapp University in 2017, she received a Pulitzer Center Fellowship for her debut feature documentary, This Little Land of Mines which was on Amazon and garnered festival accolades in international distribution.
00:01:43:29 - 00:02:04:04
Grace
She's also directed other shorts like Southern Sustainability in 2018 and New York Is Silent in 2020, and has done commercial work with major brands, which we can talk about today as well. In 2021, she gained popularity on TikTok and Instagram for her career advice channel advice, with Erin amassing over 5 million followers. She's been featured in major publications.
00:02:04:04 - 00:02:33:23
Grace
And what I just saw recently that you had your very first TV appearance about that as well. I know we shared that on our SOC page. Everyone is super excited to see it and recently launched a YouTube show called No One Knows What They're Doing, which I feel that I do definitely. Anyway, yes, I just want to say how excited I am to have you on, and I'd really love to just kind of dive, take you down a little memory lane, kind of with your time at SOC.
00:02:33:25 - 00:02:48:07
Grace
So if you don't mind just starting with that kind of telling us a little bit about your time at SOC. If there were, like, any highlights or a class you loved or a project that stood out to you, kind of where you're at there, of course.
00:02:48:10 - 00:03:17:18
Erin
Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be talking to another Eagle. Yeah. So I actually transferred into èapp. I went to Drexel University in Philadelphia. My freshman year didn't love it that I went to Scotland for a semester, and I studied wine, which is really fun. But I yeah, but I was there during the Scottish referendum when Scotland was trying to actually leave, the UK, and that was when I kind of made my first documentary and got into documentary, and I realized that AU was a great place for me to maybe transfer.
00:03:17:21 - 00:03:37:15
Erin
I was from the DC area, and so I transferred back there and immediately it clicked. It just felt so right. I loved everybody I met, found everybody so interesting and fascinating. I loved living in DC. And yeah, I just I'm so happy that I ended up there.
00:03:37:17 - 00:03:56:06
Grace
And can you tell us a little bit about this Pulitzer fellowship that you got? Is that through you?
00:03:56:08 - 00:04:13:13
Erin
Yeah. So my senior year, I sign up for an alt break. I don’t know if this is still a thing, but it was over Christmas break. I think. And we went to Laos to study the impact of unexploded ordnance. Allowed sources. The most, heavily bombed country per capita in the history of the world. The èapp bombed labs during the Vietnam War, during the secret war. And I joined that program because I actually visited Laos in high school and found it to be the most beautiful place I'd ever been in my life, and I hadn't heard much about it. But when I was there, I didn't see any bombs. Everybody there was incredibly kind, so I had been very interested in this topic.
00:04:13:15 - 00:04:29:25
Erin
So I went there, you know, we met with the ambassador and it was just this incredible program where I got to really learn a lot about Laos, like we met with monks and politicians, and it was just it was life changing. And I realized that I had so much information. I had all these connections to Lao people.
00:04:29:25 - 00:04:46:22
Erin
And I was like, you know, I'm going to bring this story back to America. And it was Bill Gentile is one of my favorite professors in èapp. He's amazing. And, he he made it happen. I made a little short teaser, and I just said this is something that I want to cover. He was, like, Erin you’d be a
00:04:46:22 - 00:05:10:08
Erin
great fit for a student fellowship. at the Pulitzer Center. And I can swear he actually recently just left the Pulitzer Center, was a great mentor, and they supported my project, and it was, fantastic. Yeah.
00:05:10:11 - 00:05:24:26
Grace
That’s amazing. We’ve had the our last three guests have mentioned Bill in their like, their SOC career. And it’s just so awesome to hear those shout outs because he’s still doing that and he’s still doing that for our students. It's so cool to hear. Yeah, he really is. He really is. And I guess I'm going to jump to this question just because that kind of plays off of this. But do you have any advice for our students? In terms of like networking with your professors and kind of like getting to know your professors?
00:05:24:26 - 00:05:42:19
Grace
Because we try with this podcast also to kind of like break that barrier a little bit. I know sometimes it can be intimidating or you're extremely introverted, so it's just not something you want to do, beyond class, but can you just kind of shed light on just the positives to that?
00:05:42:22 - 00:06:03:24
Erin
Oh my goodness. I went to office hours as much as I possibly could. I remember I would go to Chris Palmer's office hours all the time. I think it was like once a week, maybe every other week I go and we would just talk about our careers, and he would just give me like general life advice. And I don't know why anybody wouldn't go to those. It's like one on one mentoring with people who have been where you have been and they have connections, industry connections in DC.
00:06:03:24 - 00:06:20:17
Erin
And it's just like, that's a great way to get internships and get opportunities. I mean, I think the network that èapp provided was actually more valuable in a lot of ways. And like the things I actually learned in class, I mean, I learned great things in class, but getting access to the professors was actually what made the largest impact in my life.
00:06:20:19 - 00:06:49:03
Grace
That's awesome. And you're right in DC too. So yeah, that's really valuable as well. And then just a little side note on kind of this, project that you did when you went to Laos. So what advice do you have? Because we get this question a lot when you're stepping into another culture, maybe, or a group of people that you might not be around every day or might not know even let's say you don't know much about it, but you want to do this project. Is there kind of any advice on how you navigated that?
00:06:49:05 - 00:07:04:06
Erin
Oh, absolutely. Hire them and get out of their way. That's exactly what I did. And I can't I don't see another way of doing that. I hired a Lao production company. I worked with a Lao producer. Every I they I had them do most of it.
00:07:04:06 - 00:07:18:00
Erin
I raised the money here, and then I sent it to them. I didn't even pay for me to go over there for development, cause I was like, what am I going to do? I don't, I mean, I speak a little Lao, but like, they're the people who are gifted and talented and they they know. But what I really brought to the project was an èapp perspective.
00:07:18:00 - 00:07:37:11
Erin
Like, for example, my Lao producer, he didn't understand that èapps didn't know. So we actually had to collaborate and work together to make a product that èapps would actually be able to understand. So that's what was really beautiful about that project was it was a collaboration between me and Lao people to really make something that would translate and write, you know, and educate èapps properly.
00:07:37:13 - 00:07:59:17
Grace
That's awesome. Good for you. That's actually a really good point, because sometimes it's like we would just even if we tried our hardest, we still wouldn't know kind of what to do or. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I love that. Any pointers on how to like pitch ideas? Like when you come up with a documentary idea and you're pitching or you're kind of like bringing this idea to light, do you have any advice there?
00:07:59:20 - 00:08:22:07
Erin
Yeah. So the documentary landscape has dramatically changed in the past four years. And it's like very, very different. So like when I graduated from a AU, it was like, okay, you know, you pitched like a sales agent or you pitch a, production company that already works with Netflix a lot, and then they greenlight it, and then you go make sure you get a pre-sale nowadays.
00:08:22:07 - 00:08:42:12
Erin
So the, the big financiers, and distributors, Netflix, HBO, Hulu, all of them are more internalized. So you really have to get into the companies to really get anything greenlit, and they like to work with people they've already worked with. So I would recommend anybody out there who's, like, really trying to get some. There are two different approaches you can take.
00:08:42:12 - 00:09:02:10
Erin
You can get something pre-sale like pre funded, which is incredibly difficult if you're early in your career because they're just not going to gamble on you like the amount of people who've tried to shove me off my own projects because they're like, it's just semantics. And I'm like, okay then. Yeah. Anyway, and try to put somebody like a big notable older male director on.
00:09:02:12 - 00:09:22:16
Erin
It happens a lot, it happens a lot. So getting a presale is really difficult if you're early on in your career. The other way to do it is to like, raise money, grants are usually waste of time, you can try grants. They are really slow and usually not that much money. Fundraise, you know, on Indiegogo or something like that.
00:09:22:23 - 00:09:39:09
Erin
And then you can kind of fund to make a sizzle, and that's how you can kind of ship it out. But nowadays, like the most the most of the film that you can make yourself the better off you are. I would avoid, like if you have the choice between two projects, one that you can just kind of go make and one where you like really need funding to do it.
00:09:39:12 - 00:09:56:25
Erin
I would pick the one that you can just go make on your own, like Bing Lou made Minding the Gap, which like crushed Sundance a few years before the pandemic. And he just made that on his own and with his own camera. And it just, like, boosted his career. And you see that over and over again with Sundance.
00:09:56:28 - 00:10:25:05
Erin
So I recommend, like this Little Land of Mines. I ran like three crowdfunding campaigns. I applied to hundreds of grants. I stayed up until 4 a.m. all the time. I didn't get any of them like I got a few, but like, you know, it's really, really hard. Yeah. And so you just got to figure out, like, what films recently got made and how did they get made and who made them, and then message those people and be like, hey, I have a concept drive and unique access is a big thing.
00:10:25:10 - 00:10:49:13
Erin
A notable figure attached to those are things that people are really looking for nowadays. And if it's having to do the sports or, music niches or any type of celebrity money, but if it's having to do with anything like in the environment or politics, they don't really want.. It's very sorry guys if that’s disheartening, that’s just very like
00:10:49:13 - 00:11:09:13
Erin
No, this is a part of it because I feel like we do. The reason why I started this podcast is because things like that that I really appreciate when, you kind of get a really transparent look, just for anything, really anything but more so, like what to expect when you go into the process.
00:11:09:13 - 00:11:29:15
Grace
I think that sometimes can help, like ease a lot of anxiety of like, I have this idea we're going to go forth, but what to expect, you know, and I feel like that like there are some blows and it like lessens the blow a little bit, you know?
00:11:29:18 - 00:11:45:25
Erin
Yeah. And you’re totally right. Like, just don’t look abandoned projects just kind of keep them in your back pocket and maybe like something big will happen on film, you know, when you can. Documentaries are just a labor of love. And there was a golden age, I think, for a while there, and the Golden Globes unfortunately, kind of dulled a little bit. Yeah. But there's still a lot of money in the film industry and a lot of money to be made, but it's just more about who, you know now more than ever.
00:11:45:28 - 00:12:06:06
Erin
So the more people, you can know, don't ever burn bridges. Just yeah, just get to know a lot of people. That's really like, it's really going to help you.
00:12:06:08 - 00:12:26:00
Grace
Yeah. And kind of like, move with the times, I guess. I really appreciated that you said that recently, too, about AI. I’m just like how I think we were so scared that was just gonna, like, take over. But now it really is like, do you know AI? Like, can you use AI? Because that's probably likely going to be the next step of like, okay, who can use it? Who can run it, who can kind of you know.
00:12:26:05 - 00:12:43:11
Erin
It’s like any new technology, I think it’s overblown short term, but under blown long term. I think now people are kind of realizing that all these AI systems aren’t as great as people thought they were going to be. But they will be like in ten years. They're going to be incredible. But right now it's like it's sloppy. It's like when the first MacBook came out and now we look at it, we're like, oh, that thing was ugly. We're just in the beginning stages of it. And it's scary, but it's the way it is.
00:12:43:13 - 00:13:05:00
Grace
It is, I know, but it's like the more, you know, I guess the better at this point. So it's like more you can learn, I don't know. We'll see, we’ll see. Yeah. Exactly. We'll see how that goes. Reading your bio, there's so much that you're doing in all aspects of media. So can you kind of just give us like a look into kind of a day in your life or just like a week into your life and how you sort of touch on all these aspects of media?
00:13:05:00 - 00:13:27:04
Erin
Yeah. So I'm self-employed. I run my own, production company called Gray Films. I'm in New York City, and then I have Advice with Erin, which is, my like social media side. So I kind of split up my professional career into two categories. One side is documentary filmmaking, and the other side is running this like media platform where I give career life and not financial advice, but education.
00:13:27:07 - 00:13:41:17
Erin
And I help people just learn about kind of like the hidden curriculum of adulthood, things that we don't learn in school. And maybe wealthier kids learn from their parents, but the rest of the kids just kind of have to fend for themselves. You know, how to make a resumé, how mortgages and credit cards work, things like that.
00:13:41:19 - 00:14:00:20
Erin
And that's something that I'm really passionate about doing. In addition to documentary filmmaking. But to be quite frank, documentary filmmaking isn't a sustainable career. It's not. You can't do it full time unless you have financial support from outside, right? A spouse, you know, who's willing to do that, or you're willing to live on the cheap, or you have parents.
00:14:00:22 - 00:14:18:17
Erin
And the documentary film industry in general has been going through a really, really rough period the past few years. So, I have projects in development, everybody's projects in development. I have some projects in production. But mainly I've been focusing on Advice with Erin, because what I've realized is that, I want to make a positive impact in the world.
00:14:18:19 - 00:14:40:08
Erin
I want to, like, empower people with information, to unite humanity. That's why I got into documentary. I wanted to make positive documentaries that told truth and and revealed stories, but at the end of the day, made the world a better place. And I realized that if that's my overall mission, a great way to do that, and actually a more efficient and effective way to do that is through social media.
00:14:40:11 - 00:14:59:18
Erin
And so from 2020 to 2022, I actually worked at National Geographic. They hired me to creatively direct and launch their TikTok account. And that was a really great way for me to meld my two passions together. But yeah, I mean, you know, working in media these days is definitely interesting.
00:14:59:21 - 00:15:16:07
Grace
It’s up and down. It’s just like up and down. You never really know what to expect. Follow up question to that, kind of based on how the world came to be after the pandemic. And then it was just kind of like we're slowly trying to still, I feel like ease back into it. And they're saying, like Covid has taken another turn now, so it's just a lot going on.
00:15:16:07 - 00:15:33:25
Grace
How did you navigate that kind of I guess it was only really just two ish years after graduation. So it's like it was that also part of the reason why you kind of launched Advice with Erin? Because you were like, you know what, this is a tool I can do at home. I can do from anywhere. Can you just kind of shed light on that as well?
00:15:33:27 - 00:15:54:17
Erin
Absolutely. So I graduated and I couldn't get a full time job because I was headed off to Laos in a few months to film. So I started to freelance in the DC and Baltimore area just to make ends meet. I moved back home with my parents and I just was hustling. I mean, I was working on reality TV, commercial. I was spending so much time in my car, 14 hour days.
00:15:54:17 - 00:16:09:28
Erin
It was it was a grind. And I liked it, you know, it was it was really tough. But I was just trying to make, you know, maybe like 200 bucks a day. Like it just was a grind. Learning a lot about the film industry. And, I went and made my documentary. I'm very, very proud of what I accomplished.
00:16:09:28 - 00:16:26:26
Erin
It premiered it in 2019, bootstrapped every last penny to pay for it. And, yeah, we premiered it. It was it was fantastic. You know, it played at Mill Valley won all these awards. And then I moved to New York City off of the heels of that. And I was like, had all these meetings set up, these great production companies.
00:16:26:26 - 00:16:45:12
Erin
I had my freelance editing career. I was, you know, charging great hourly rates. I was working on projects I liked. Life was so good. And then three months later, the pandemic crushed New York. And it I had a few projects that were lingering, but then pretty much everything dried up. And fortunately I had a little bit of an emergency fund.
00:16:45:14 - 00:17:03:27
Erin
That I could use. And I was living with my husband, but it really, really dried up there for everybody. Yeah. And, so I downloaded TikTok just like every other millennial. And I got scared and deleted it. And then I re downloaded it, and I thought it was cool how people were using the platform to tell stories.
00:17:03:27 - 00:17:21:29
Erin
And, I thought was really cool how videos could reach people through this very powerful algorithm. And I thought it might be a cool way to help people educate them about the film industry, because I find that the film industry is an incredibly unequal place. It's just not a meritocracy at all. So it's like, what if I could, you know, help people like, learn how to actually get on set?
00:17:21:29 - 00:17:39:14
Erin
And so I make these little videos about like, what's a producer versus a director? So that some kid who maybe couldn't afford to go to film school could just, like, maybe learn something for my videos. Anyway, so I was given career advice for the film industry, and it was just going viral. People were loving my advice and they were asking me to make it more general.
00:17:39:21 - 00:17:59:20
Erin
And getting career advice is always something that I've been passionate about. In college, I would sit in the Dav and I would help people with their resumes. That was like a hobby of mine. So, it's always been a passion. I started making the videos. They just started going really viral. I was very up against taking it seriously because I was like, I'm a documentary filmmaker.
00:17:59:23 - 00:18:25:26
Erin
I'm not an influencer. I don't want to be an influencer. Then I realized you can just be both. I can have both aspects of my career. And I left my job at Nat Geo in 2022, and now I've been doing Advice with Erin more full time.
00:18:25:28 - 00:18:44:01
Grace
Wow, I love that. That’s awesome. And I guess just a quick, follow up question to that should people fear freelance and being self-employed, can you I know we’ve we’ve actually talked about that a lot. And people are like, it's like the inconsistency in the making money. And you know what? Like how what does that look like. And I know it clearly is going so well for you. So just any, any advice on kind of not just don't fear it, try it. And it could be the lifestyle that's right for you.
00:18:44:04 - 00:19:04:20
Erin
Yeah. So I think there's two things. The first thing is that I don't think freelancing or being a business owner is for everyone, I really don't. I think that if you're not motivated or driven by like money, or independence and being able to control your time. So for me, time is a big thing. I just, I did the corporate thing and I was like, I hate someone telling me to come in and having to ask permission to go on vacation.
00:19:04:20 - 00:19:24:17
Erin
I was like, this is gross. So that's like, why I really love freelancing. And I've been doing it for seven years. And then the other side of it is that people say, you know why I want a job? Because it's it's stable. And I was like that because I'm like, being a freelancer. Being self-employed is actually more stable, in my opinion, than being employed by somebody else, because no one can lay me off.
00:19:24:17 - 00:19:40:01
Erin
Nobody can fire me. I, I if I want more money, I go out and make more money. It's actually very, very stable. What you need to do is be extremely good with money. You need you need to be on top of your shit when it comes to money. You have to have a good emergency fund, and that isn't going to happen overnight.
00:19:40:01 - 00:19:58:07
Erin
You kind of need to ease into your freelancing career as you work your day job. Don't quit your day job. And then once you can beef up that emergency fund in case of a global pandemic, and you have your retirement fund, and if you're over 26, have your health care fund figured out, it can be the most liberating thing in the world I've made.
00:19:58:08 - 00:20:18:22
Erin
I made six figures, and I was 25, and I was taking off basically the entire month of July, you know? Yeah, it can be really liberating. So if anybody's listening to this and you're thinking about freelancing, I would say like, just try it on the side. And if you start getting clients and you start getting to a point where you can't balance both jobs anymore and you have that emergency fund take the leap, it might be the best thing you've ever done.
00:20:18:25 - 00:20:33:11
Grace
Yeah, I love that. Such good points there too, that we don't really think about. I it's like, you know what? It really is, the way you look at things. So I think that's another good point for people. Yeah. It's all about perspective. And, you know, it's all relative to like what makes you happy. But I do agree with a lot of that.
00:20:33:11 - 00:20:52:24
Grace
And then would you say that you had a lot of repeat clients, like was it once you like networked with somebody that that work was kind of like, oh, we have Erin. Let's reach out to Erin.
00:20:52:26 - 00:21:10:17
Erin
Oh yeah. That’s for the being great to work with tool comes in. People hire people they like. So, I’m a big perma-lancer. People. This is something that I teach. I have a freelancing, webinar that I do, but, where you want to get it is to a point where you're relapsing with companies where you're on, like, three month contracts, or maybe you're on, like, you know, a retainer model. And so people think, like, when you're freelancing, you're constantly clawing for new clients.
00:21:10:20 - 00:21:25:12
Erin
That's maybe true if you're a bad freelancer, if you're a great freelancer, the companies are going to be begging you to be full time. The amount of companies that tried to get me to sign up to be a W2 worker for them, and I was like, no, stay away. I'm not coming to your all hands meetings, okay?
00:21:25:12 - 00:21:45:15
Erin
Yeah. Separation church and state. Oh yeah. You need to yeah. Eventually you want to get to the point where you have, like, 3 or 4 clients who are paying big bucks to have you on their retainer. And that is like when you are coasting.
00:21:45:17 - 00:22:00:21
Grace
Okay. That’s good to know. I really love that. You just said, it’s kind of like how you are to work with it. Do you have any advice for students on kind of like what skills they can be working on right now? Because that all kind of plays into right after graduation. It starts. It could also start. I know a lot of students that we work with that are freelancing right now, which is like so awesome. Like, oh, that I would have been like, no, okay.
00:22:00:24 - 00:22:18:01
Grace
But yeah. Just any advice on like what skills they could be working on right now, even though maybe they're not in the workplace yet or they're kind of like not out there doing their thing yet.
00:22:18:03 - 00:22:33:16
Erin
These are great questions. I can so tell that you're an SOC student because they’re so great. So something that I try to teach, but it’s kind of hard on the internet. I'm, I’m, I mainly do it like one on one is to have a freelancer mindset. Even if you're trying to get a full time, like corporate job, a lot of the times people go into job interviews and they think, okay, I'm going to try to make my case to this company. And fingers crossed they're going to hire me.
00:22:33:24 - 00:22:55:03
Erin
No. When you're a freelancer and you interview with the company, which is why, like, I've done hundreds of interviews, when you're a freelancer, you're constantly interviewing, you know, you are a package deal. So, like, I am a professional video editor, I specialize in these things. And I'm seeing if this client would be a good fit for me and if I'd be a good fit for them.
00:22:55:03 - 00:23:15:24
Erin
It's a mutual decision. And I am like, I'm like a little company. I'm like a little package deal. Like they get my services and like, that's the mindset that a freelancer has. And I think that everybody should go into their career thinking about what, like what product are they like, what package are they? What is the company getting from you?
00:23:16:01 - 00:23:36:01
Erin
Like for example, with me as a freelancer, I say, yeah, I'm going to edit your video, I'm going to deliver them on time and I'm going to work with you until they are like, exactly what you want. And also I am going to be a pleasure to work with. When we get on meetings, I'm going to be present with you and I'm going to ask who your weekend was, and I'm going to have a joke and I'm going to, you know, not be in my pajamas.
00:23:36:01 - 00:23:53:07
Erin
You're going to like, working with me. And I think that's something that people have to, kind of like, shift your mindset. You know, when you're graduating college, you go in and you think, what do I have to offer? You have a lot to offer. When you first graduate, you have your youth, you have your time, you have your energy.
00:23:53:09 - 00:24:10:11
Erin
You are a sponge. You're like, that is so enticing to employers. So you just have to be confident and sell yourself. Again as like a imagine you’re specialist and they're hiring you for something.
00:24:10:13 - 00:24:30:09
Grace
And it’s, I guess all about self branding to, you know, kind of like how you want people to see you, which is so important.. So safe to say you're working on a lot, all the time. Any pointers on kind of how to avoid, like, burnout the best way you can? Obviously it can happen, and it's really good to listen to your body and your brain and everything that's kind of going on, while you're in that, like, cruise control mode. But yeah, just any advice on that?
00:24:30:09 - 00:24:50:10
Grace
Just kind of like, you know, I think we get caught up sometimes when we're working for ourselves of like, I can do this, I can keep going, I can hustle. But we do like to give advice on that work life balance because I think that's super important. So yeah. Any advice there?
00:24:50:13 - 00:25:07:26
Erin
Yeah, I speak on burnout a lot, and I also suffer from burnout a lot because I’m a total workaholic. So the way that I think about burnout is that there's two different types. There's physical burnout, and then there's emotional burnout. And a lot of times people suffer from both. But the physical burnout, for example, is like a stay at home mom. Like she's really passionate about her children. She loves her children, she loves caring for them, but she's just, like, physically exhausted.
00:25:07:29 - 00:25:23:13
Erin
And that can also be true if you're like a travel consultant or you work in the film industry like you love working on the set, but you are like physically depleted, like your back hurts, you got a headache, you're dehydrated. And then there is, emotional burnout where you're not physically depleted, but you're like, emotionally, just like, dead inside.
00:25:23:15 - 00:25:45:26
Erin
And you just like, you hate waking up in the morning. You get the Sunday scaries. You just feel like, like paralyzed. And that is a bit more difficult to address because there's not an easy solutions. Like with physical burnout, you can you can sleep you they're like they're objective solutions. But with an emotional burnout, you have to figure out what's going to work for you.
00:25:45:29 - 00:26:07:12
Erin
And they're many different things. Meditating in the morning, drinking more water, quitting your job, setting boundaries. I'm going to tell you one thing that I've consistently seen work over and over and over again. And nobody believes me unless they've done it or, unless they they do it and then they believe me anyway. Get a hobby. Get a hobby is.
00:26:07:12 - 00:26:25:12
Erin
Get a hobby. So a lot of the times what I see with burnout is that people's jobs are their luves like. They wake up, log in to their computer. You see this a lot with remote work. They log into their computer. They have no morning routine, no work life separation. They log off, turn on Netflix, go to bed.
00:26:25:16 - 00:26:43:23
Erin
There's no problem with working hard. You can work a ton and not get burnt out. There are people who work in the film industry who work 14 hour days consistently, and they don't get burnt out, and it's because they feel fulfilled in what they're doing. Okay, would you indulge me in my metaphor? I have a metaphor on burnout.
00:26:43:26 - 00:27:03:13
Erin
So imagine this. This is what I teach. Your life is like a sandwich, okay? And your job is like a tomato. And so if you are only having a tomato for lunch every day, it can be the juiciest, ripest, most, like amazing tomato in the world. You're like, oh my gosh, I'm so lucky to have this tomato.
00:27:03:19 - 00:27:20:14
Erin
But if you're just eating that tomato every day for lunch, you, that's not good for you. It's not nutritious. You're going to get sick of it. And also, what if one day that tomato soggy, then your whole lunch sucks? So what you have to do is you got to work on your sandwich. You got to put in exercise a little bit of lettuce.
00:27:20:18 - 00:27:48:03
Erin
Oh, okay. Now we're talking about a caprese salad. Put some balsamic vinegar. Ooh, maybe that's knitting you to add more to your life. And people hate this advice because they're like, Erin, I'm so exhausted. I can't add any I'm exhausted when I come home from work. It sounds so counterintuitive, but the more that you add other elements in, seeing your friends, joining a volleyball club, walking your dog, volunteering is massive for you.
00:27:48:06 - 00:28:19:02
Erin
For getting perspective. The less work becomes the centerfold in your life, you have to decenter work from your life. There's also an author named Arthur Brooks who writes on happiness, and he has some great articles on, like what makes you happy in your job? So I think it's also important to improve job satisfaction. But people focus, I think, a little too much on trying to make their job enjoyable, and not enough on trying to just adding more color to your life, more elements of that sandwich to just make a richer life outside of work.
00:28:19:05 - 00:28:45:29
Grace
I love that, and I actually just thought about one of the videos you made recently, which was like my before we even scheduled this podcast. It was like my epiphany moment because you made a video on like kind of like lifestyle versus do you want a career life or do you want a lifestyle life? And it just hit me that like I was leaning towards one when I was so unhappy, and I think I'm I should be on the other side of it, which is kind of like building things around my lifestyle.
00:28:46:19 - 00:29:01:25
Grace
Because I'm the same way. Like, I if I don't have a lot going on or if I'm not like, and I'm very like introverted too. So it's very interesting. But yeah, I have my days like it's like a mix, but yeah, I, I have recently gotten to stand up comedy, like, just like adding all these little things.
00:29:01:25 - 00:29:17:12
Grace
Yeah. It was so like it really. And it, I mean, I did it for two years now I'm kind of like taking a little break, kind of seeing what's next. But I've always wanted to be a comedy writer. So I was like, you know what? They always require that any job I've seen, they always say you have to have stand up experience.
00:29:17:15 - 00:29:35:08
Grace
So I felt like I was like checking off a box that was going to like, build another block on top of that block, you know, and it was such a game changer. Because I realized that a lot of it was like building my life around this career when it's the opposite for me. I'd rather like build everything around my lifestyle.
00:29:35:10 - 00:29:52:21
Grace
And so thanks for that. Yeah. I was like, I watched that and I was like, oh my God, I'm doing one and I want the other.
00:29:52:24 - 00:30:07:00
Erin
So you can still be incredibly ambitious and want a very specific job and be lifestyle oriented because, you know, for example, you said that you want to work in comedy. That’s great. You want to work at a job that's fun and that's based around comedy. I want I want to do that, too. That's why I use humor in my videos. That doesn’t. People get it confused because it's like, that doesn't mean that you, if you're like, self-centered, doesn't mean you're not ambitious in your in your job.
00:30:07:06 - 00:30:22:22
Erin
You want to do. I’m lifestyle centered. But if I wasn't lifestyle centered, I'd be living in L.A. working on a, Universal set right now. I don't want to be doing that with my days. I want to be home with my dog on my couch. So I found a way to work in entertainment, to work in media. And still be home with my dog on the couch.
00:30:22:25 - 00:30:39:03
Grace
Yeah, I love that. On the topic of burnout, comes the other side of that of like any just advice on time management because that's like a really big factor when you're managing your own time.
00:30:39:06 - 00:30:52:13
Erin
Yeah, especially when you’re self-employed and you’ve got no one telling you what to do and you’re going to be your own bad boss. Yeah. I mean, like when, when you're freelancing, it's easy because you have clients telling you what to do. But when you're running your own business, like me, and you got to tell other people what to do, oh my gosh, my assistant, I'm like, do we have to work today? And she's like, Erin, you got to work. And I'm like, oh, okay.
00:30:52:16 - 00:31:14:20
Erin
No. But I’m just kidding. Something that I two things that I really like and that I found after having to manage my own time for years and just not wanting to work, is one thing is, time blocking. So I go into my Mac, you know, MacBook, iCal or whatever it is, and I'll just block off, you know, everything that I'm doing, that day and I, I follow that.
00:31:14:20 - 00:31:28:11
Erin
I set little alarms so that if I'm writing, you gotta stop writing at 11 or. And you gotta go do this. So I set a little rule of myself like that. I have to eat lunch every day. I can watch a Ted talk while I eat lunch, but I can't scroll social media. You know, I've always like little rules for myself.
00:31:28:14 - 00:31:41:28
Erin
The other thing that I really like is this thing that I. This little thing that I made up called the 3 to 1 method. And basically every morning it lists out three work priorities. It's like three things that must get done. And if they don't get done, I'm going to be in trouble like they have to get done.
00:31:42:00 - 00:32:05:27
Erin
I can have other things that are secondary to that, but if I'm done with these three things, I can move on. But these are the priorities. And then two, health priorities, which can be as little as, like drink a glass of water in the morning or as big as, like, go run four miles and then, one fun thing every day. I think people should prioritize laughing every day. I think it’s a crime that we all are so sad all the time.
00:32:05:29 - 00:32:17:24
Grace
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a great way to put it. I feel like we're all really just sad all the time. That might be where my humor came from or just kind of like, well, I'm just gonna learn to laugh through this rather than cry.
00:32:17:24 - 00:32:34:02
Erin
You gotta laugh. I think learning how to laugh at things is emotionally intelligent. It is. And it's like, don't take yourself too seriously. You know? I just feel like I have to ask, how is it being on TV? That was so exciting. Oh yeah, you're all like, freaking out in the office. We were like, oh my gosh, Erin went on Fox today.
00:32:34:04 - 00:32:49:11
Grace
It is. And it’s like, don’t take yourself too seriously. You know? I just feel like I have to ask, how is it being on TV? That was so exciting. Oh yeah, you’re all like, freaking out in the office. We were like, oh my gosh, Erin went on Fox today. How is that different than kind of everything else you've been doing?
00:32:49:13 - 00:33:06:24
Erin
Yeah, it was a surprise. So Fox emailed me. And for the record, CNN has not emailed me. NBC has not been. Naomi Fox is the first one to reach out to me. And at first I was like, like, do I really wanna go on Fox News? But then not, you know, because it's just like, yeah, no matter where you stand politically, objectively, Fox News is polarizing. And I know that because I worked in journalism. And, but then I thought, wait, this is the most watched network in the world, and they want to interview me about Gen-Z in the workplace.
00:33:06:24 - 00:33:21:05
Erin
If I don't say yes, they're going to ask some other person and who knows who that's going to be. And this is my opportunity to speak to an audience. And yeah, I don't know, I was I was kind of flattered that they even somebody said my name in a meeting and they were they were open minded. And they want to they want to hear.
00:33:21:05 - 00:33:37:25
Erin
The thing is, it was wild. I live in New York. They sent a car. I went over, I know, and it was it was honestly a very pleasant experience. And also, they couldn't have been kinder. It was stressful because they don't tell you what they're going to be asking you before you go on.
00:33:38:08 - 00:33:57:19
Erin
Yeah, they they don’t prep you at all. They want you on the spot. And I didn't want to look like a fool. CNN called me. You know, everybody else can call me. But Fox called me first.
00:33:57:21 - 00:34:15:12
Grace
Shout out to anybody listening. Congratulations on that. That’s very cool. It’s like cool to just know that you’re reaching people, you know? And that's that's awesome. I guess now we're actually, you know, coming to the end. Where do you I know you have the production company. You have advice with Erin. Is there anywhere you see it going? Anywhere you want it to go? It just the next steps are kind of where are you at? Yeah. In your in your own professional growth.
00:34:15:14 - 00:34:32:11
Erin
It's a great question. I definitely have some very exciting projects, in the works that I can't quite announce yet. I hate when people say that, but I think it's actually true. Like, I feel like I have sympathy for that because it really is true sometimes. Like, you really can't say it's like such a diva, but like, I like, I'll get in trouble.
00:34:32:11 - 00:34:55:26
Erin
Like I'll say things like, Erin, you weren’t allowed. And I'm like, oh, sorry, sorry. But I have a couple irons in the coal. What is it? Rods on the fire. Had some juggling. I'm, like, so bad at saying phrases like. But, you know, overall, I think my goal is to read Reese Witherspoon.
00:34:55:26 - 00:35:17:02
Erin
It. I would like to eventually just start my own, like. I mean, I have my own production company, but like, fund my own projects, greenlight my own projects. Something that really bothers me about the film industry is how you just have to ask permission to do everything. And I feel like there's this club, and if you didn't get into this club before, like 2020, that you're just like not going to be able to be successful.
00:35:17:05 - 00:35:42:16
Erin
And so I would like to be able to take like listen to pitches and say, okay, let's do this. And then, you know, I don't know what the distribution is going to look like, in ten years. But I'm really interested in financial literacy. And like scams and fraud. That's something that I'm really fascinated. Yeah. And so, you know, maybe that could be some big projects down the road. Definitely working on some stuff there.
00:35:42:18 - 00:36:00:06
Grace
Yeah. That's awesome. And so important because they're really doing a good job these days with these scams. And so I've gotten a few of them and I'm like, what is going on? And you get so excited, which is why it's like such a crappy feeling, but that's awesome. That sounds great and good luck with everything.
00:36:00:13 - 00:36:18:25
Grace
Is there one piece of advice you would have liked to know early on in your career that you kind of know now that you wish somebody told, like young Erin, this piece of advice. And then the other question is, what is kind of the biggest lesson you've learned in your career specifically? Or it could be life, too.
00:36:19:01 - 00:36:37:00
Erin
The thing is, is that there's nothing really that I wish I knew because learning the things is what builds character and experiences, and I wouldn't be where I am without making mistakes and learning things along the way. So that's something that I wish I knew. I think something that's been that would been beneficial for younger Erin understand is that money is liberating.
00:36:37:03 - 00:36:55:07
Erin
So like a lot of the times you're like, follow your passion, don't just do it for money. But the thing is, is that money, when you have money, you have more choice and you have more freedom. And that's like a fact. Like if you have like a financial backing and system, it gives you more leverage to quit that job when it's the point of it being toxic.
00:36:55:13 - 00:37:24:04
Erin
And I think it's just really important for people to really prioritize having savings accounts and having that back up. You know, if I didn't have that during Covid, it just wouldn't have been great. So I think, like, you know, follow your passion for sure, but don't like, go broke, you know, just trying to be a full time documentary filmmaker, maybe get like, you know, a corporate job for a year or two and do gigs on the side. There’s nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with with making money. You’re not a sellout, you know.
00:37:24:06 - 00:37:41:02
Grace
Yeah, for sure, for sure. That's such a good point. And it's like, if you want to Reese Witherspoon pay you need that. You know, it's like that's that's kind of how it goes. And yeah I think about that all the time. Like the money would open up the doors to do the passion projects.
00:37:41:07 - 00:38:01:11
Grace
Yeah, absolutely. And then just any life or career lesson, that you want to share with everybody that you feel like might be helpful or just something, you know, pertaining to the entertainment industry, whatever it may be.
00:38:01:14 - 00:38:27:03
Erin
The common issue that I hear a lot from people, and I don't blame them, I truly think it’s a direct result of Covid. It’s this feeling of like, I don't know what to do next. And I think there's a misconception that clarity creates movement. It's like once I have clarity, I'm going to go do this thing, but it's like almost never the case. Movement will create clarity, so you just have to get it off your phone and get off your laptop and get out of your room and go out and like, do literally anything like bartend.
00:38:27:06 - 00:38:50:15
Erin
I drove Uber, I drove Uber in D.C. at AU. Yeah, I nannied in DC, I did, I organized closets, I dog sat so much and I met so many people. The girl a nannied for, she worked at discovery. Like that's how you meet people. It's out of context. Networking. That's how you really meet people, make connections, and you just want to.
00:38:50:16 - 00:39:08:23
Erin
You want to collect connections, you want to collect contacts. And that's going to make you more powerful in the future because you go on LinkedIn and you look up this job, and if you never met anybody in your life, you're not going to know anybody who works there. But if you were a sorority, like I was in a sorority, now I have hundreds of connections and I can say, hey, we're in the same sorority, you know?
00:39:08:26 - 00:39:29:16
Erin
Do you have an internal referral program? So it's just about collecting connections and associations, and, you know, it can be part of a volleyball team or part of a certain faith. It can be all these different things. So just finding ways to make a lot of connections with people in the way that you do that is by getting off a screen, because everybody's applying to jobs on these massive job boards and it's it's called a firehose effect.
00:39:29:16 - 00:39:45:22
Erin
It's clogging them up. And it's a terrible way to try and get a job. The way to get a good job is through personal connections. And people hate to get that because it requires them not to just click easy apply. You actually get to have a conversation with someone. But it makes it a lot easier actually to, to get it.
00:39:45:22 - 00:40:04:26
Erin
I haven't submitted a resume. Yeah, I mean, I'm a freelancer, but if you just know the person. Yeah, you can just skip over submitting a cover letter. So it's.
00:40:04:26 - 00:40:27:23
Grace
that out of context networking that you said that’s so important because, I mean, I don’t know if you agree. They are saying this year is the worst year for job hunting, like keeping a job. There's been so many layoffs everywhere. It's it's really stressful. But you're right, I feel like people are more likely to remember the person they actually met and had a conversation with versus like getting lost in the pile, you know?
00:40:27:26 - 00:40:47:23
Erin
But also this is really interesting effect that happens. So for example, if you’re a student at SOC and you email, the CEO of Nat Geo and you’re like, hey, I'm a student, can I pick your brain over a coffee chat? They’re gonna be like, no, like I get that every day, like 20 times a day. But. Oh, they need somebody to wash their goldendoodle in Bethesda. That's so funny. I signed up on Rover to watch dogs. Oh my gosh, you're CEO of National Geographic. You're now in their house watching their dog, looking at pictures of their kids. Like you're just in a different context.
00:40:47:23 - 00:41:06:03
Erin
So they're more willing to talk to you like a podcast, for example, is a great way to get to know people. I mean, look at this. We've been talking for like an hour in context, networking. People tend to kind of close up a lot. But out of context, networking is a great way to like, get to know people in, more loose environments.
00:41:06:06 - 00:41:21:15
Grace
I was going to say, and it's like it kind of takes away that pressure of like the professionalism and kind of like, how am I how am I looking right now? How am I sounding? How am I, you know, all that stuff? I love that. That's out of context. Networking. Okay. I'm I'm going to remember that. I love that.
00:41:21:15 - 00:41:41:04
Grace
And then just last thing, is there anything you would like to talk about, announce or any, you know, special projects happening? Feel free to kind of give whatever shout out you'd like.
00:41:41:07 - 00:41:59:00
Erin
Yeah. Well, people can follow me on Instagram, Advice with Erin and on TikTok at Erin McGoff and on YouTube. I post a lot of great, like, free stuff on YouTube. I have my YouTube show. No One Knows What They're Doing where I interview, just like interesting people about interesting things. And yeah, people can can follow me there. I do have some exciting projects. So those will all be announced on the platform. And if you ever want to reach out, you know, you can DM me. I get a lot of DMs.
00:41:59:03 - 00:42:15:14
Erin
You can dm my personal account. It's probably more likely I'll respond there. Or just shoot me an email.
00:42:15:16 - 00:42:33:06
Grace
Awesome. Perfect. And we will put all your handles in the episode description as well, so everyone can kind of find you and follow you, do what they need to do. Thank you so much, Erin. This was so fun. So fun to meet you. Finally. I feel like I know you because it's like when you follow someone for so long, you, like, feel like you know them. You know? This is really cool. But, yeah. Thank you so much for coming on. I'm sure this episode is going to be a hit. I hope everyone was taking notes and listening.
00:42:33:08 - 00:42:48:20
Grace
Well, thank you everyone for listening. Thank you, Erin, for coming on the podcast. Really appreciate it. And, if you would like to donate to èapp University School of Communication, go to giving.american.edu and I'll see you next time. That's a wrap.
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